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Will you loose your identity if you have the option to exchange every part of your body?

Will a digital copy of your memory preserve your soul?

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The next for my "Digital Evolution" collection [link]

Used toolchain: Poser 6/7 -> interPOSER(Ltd/Pro) -> Cinema4D V9.5 XL -> PhotoshopCS3
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:iconfmsecretplace:
fmsecretplace Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2015
amazing, great artwork
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015   Digital Artist
Thank you :)
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:iconmpz28:
mpz28 Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2014
the real question would be would you then lose your rights if nothing original was remaining, also would you then live under the laws of robotics, but either way still nicely done :D
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2014   Digital Artist
yes, there are a lot of questions coming up... are you still human... are you still "you"?
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:icondreadedone131:
DreadedOne131 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2014
Interesting, took her over ten years to complete her transformation?
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2014   Digital Artist
:nod:
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:iconmoriza:
moriza Featured By Owner May 9, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Excellent concept .. Do you plan to release or create comic /visual or graphic novel ?? It seem Your cyber character`s series already complete ;)
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner May 15, 2014   Digital Artist
Thanks. No, no graphic novel, this takes too much time ;)
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:iconshadowwolf4564:
shadowwolf4564 Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014
yes I would replace everything
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:iconsweetsirin22:
sweetsirin22 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2013
Just don't be the first to test.
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2013   Digital Artist
;) :nod:
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:iconaqualar:
AquaLar Featured By Owner May 11, 2013
Even if i replaced lots of part of my self, my brain i would like to get(to stay).
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner May 14, 2013   Digital Artist
:nod: sure, without brain we would lose our identity...
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:iconmbinz:
mbinz Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
excellent! ...hmmm.... A Soul's Journey! `)
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:iconzoompixs:
zoompixs Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2012
Just going through your gallery again.
I'm glad to see this visual composition got a high number of comments.
For me anyway, it and quite a few similar to this are what really set you apart from everyone else.
The underlying subtext is fascinating.

Any chance you will open up this dimension of exploration again, or is it a fait accompli?
Cheers!
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012   Digital Artist
Thanks a lot. I wasn't in a very creative mood the last months but the "digital/cyborg evolution" theme is something I like to revisit again and again... so, yes, I will come back to this subject and try to get a new/different view on this...
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:iconzoompixs:
zoompixs Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
well i am VERRRRRY excited to hear that.
Ich wunder was die Zukunft bringen wirt?
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:iconlaughingvulcan:
laughingvulcan Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow.

I'm not sure what else to say.

VERY deep and very simply put.

LOVE it! Fave! :)

Be well.

Greg
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2012   Digital Artist
=D Thanks a lot! :)
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:iconlaughingvulcan:
laughingvulcan Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
No prob! :)
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:iconmaster-of-the-boot:
Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner May 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I don't think that a digital copy of my memory would preserve my soul, but he'd be a whole new person, and I'd wish him well
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:iconhittoshi:
Hittoshi Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"You don't have a soul. You are a soul and you have a body."
I like your work, though.
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Shokacin0XP Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Amazing concept
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:iconttobserve:
ttobserve Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2011
Excellent questions!   :neom:   :+fav:
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011   Digital Artist
Thanks :)
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:iconjoey1058:
Joey1058 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm reminded of the old adage: An old ax has had it's head replaced twice, and the handle replaced three times. But it's still the same ax.

Aimee Mullins can swap out her legs at will.

The question remains: Who, exactly, are "you"?
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2011   Digital Artist
Exactly!

Also while revisiting this picture I asked myself:

How much is our soul formed through our body containment?
How much similar will we become if we all have the same "artificial" body?
Will we then see our true self? Or would we become identical copies?
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Joey1058 Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"How much is our soul formed through our body containment?"
Interesting concept. That's a question I would have never considered some thirty years ago. And yet it is very much front and center to our very beings even now. Thanks for sharing that!

"How much similar will we become if we all have the same "artificial" body?
Will we then see our true self? Or would we become identical copies?"
I've been reading (seeing?) a concept on the net called "hive mind". I feel that while identical artificial bodies will indeed eliminate diversity, there is still a core value in every individual that will resist blend and assimilation. That's where the heart of true self starts.
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epicwisdom Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2012
Having wandered across this in my first hours-long voyage through deviant, this is one of the more interesting pieces I've seen thus far.

And it brings up an important philosophical point : whether the mental is defined by the physical.

If we discard the idea of "soul" (some eternal *thing* that lasts forever that is independent of the physical), and look specifically at consciousness (the awareness of self, or better, the awareness of the awareness of self), we might see things a bit differently. For instance, if we clone ourselves, a clone with equivalent DNA, it does not have the same consciousness, because it lacks our memories, our behaviors. Even if we implanted our memories (not necessarily the brain itself) in the clone, it still would not have many of the unconscious additions to our conscious self, like our nervous ticks, or our pet peeves. Those things are shaped not just by the memory of them, but a deeper embedding of experiences.

Let's say we copy all those things into a clone. An exact copy, down to the cellular level. Can you somehow see the exact same things that the clone sees? Do you share a consciousness? No, you're just identical. You might have an identity crisis about who is the original, if both are identical, but that doesn't change the fact that the two are separate. They have to diverge after the clone is made, and so they'll develop differently.

Whether or not our consciousness meets its end when we replace our brains is almost a moot point. It has to. The continuation of the brain itself is what we call consciousness. To replace it entirely necessarily requires us to go to sleep... and never wake up.

But to diversity, identical bodies do not mean identical minds. Twins and clones are good examples. Just because we can't vary by looks doesn't mean we can't vary by opinion.

And I don't think, even in a world where such advanced tech is available, that everybody would choose the exact same body. It is not possible for two intelligent beings who have different histories to come to the exact same conclusions for every possible situation, and so there'd be no two people who chose the same exact body (the same way two people might use a PC, but the insides might be vastly different).

One strange alternative, however, is AI. Let's say we have nanomachines, with vast computing power on atomic scales, and they live almost symbiotically with the brain -- with two catches. First, the nanomachines slowly replicate and replace brain cells in unnoticeable amounts, say 5 or 10 every hour. Second, these nanomachines can act both as computers, and exact replicas of brain cells. So let's say that slowly over time, they replace your brain cells, until they dominate the mass of your brain.

Would you notice this? When would the real "you" disappear, to be replaced by a copy -- at 50%, 60%, 100%? Would you even end, or would you have migrated to the machine brain?

Thanks for reading this long-as-hell comment. Heh.
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:iconjoey1058:
Joey1058 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"... the nanomachines slowly replicate and replace brain cells in unnoticeable amounts, say 5 or 10 every hour. Second, these nanomachines can act both as computers, and exact replicas of brain cells. So let's say that slowly over time, they replace your brain cells, until they dominate the mass of your brain.

Would you notice this? When would the real "you" disappear, to be replaced by a copy -- at 50%, 60%, 100%? Would you even end, or would you have migrated to the machine brain?"

It's said that the body replaces itself approximately every seven years, through cellular regeneration. So to obviously answer that question, we say yes, "you" still exist. But now the question that surfaces is this: Are the nanos replacing cells with carbon based bioware, or with a silicon structure that simulates bioware? I will discount for the moment that the nanos are some type of carbon based AI, otherwise I can't envision a nano colony housed in our person that wouldn't be identified as an infection that needed to be isolated.
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epicwisdom Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012
But brain cells do not regenerate. The nervous system does, and the materials *within* the CNS neurons are constantly replaced, but the cells and synapses themselves don't usually die, and new neurons are hard to come by. We don't really know how to regenerate neurons, it's why CNS diseases are incurable.

Replacing them at the cellular level would have (as of yet) unknown effects.

Whether it's feasible to have such nanites in the body is irrelevant. I'm not asking whether it's possible to do it... I'm asking whether the human consciousness would survive the process.

And, as a more whimsical question (similar to asking what happens after death), I'm wondering what it would feel like to be slowly migrated to an artificial brain (if one would feel anything at all).
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Joey1058 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
See, that's the thing. Going on pure speculative fiction, brain cells could be replaced. So on a cellular level, one day you're just going to realize that you're getting smarter, or less forgetful, or whatever. After those seven years have passed, *ka-ching*, full blown machine, and you never needed to worry about dieing in/because of the process.
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epicwisdom Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2012
It's still a powerful question in some ways. Because while anybody can speculate that this is the case, we cannot say for sure without experiencing ourselves. For all we know, anybody who went through such a process has been replaced by a perfect copy, slowly dying and incapable of stopping it.

Again, it's analogous to asking what happens after death, so it might be a bit whimsical to speculate on the answer.
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Glutamato Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2011
Very impressive
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2011   Digital Artist
:w00t:
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:icona3kitsune:
A3Kitsune Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2011
Ghost in the shell.
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:iconkatachiunetsachi:
KatachiuneTsachi Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2010
it will not.
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:icondzon65:
Dzon65 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2010
Very nice.Pitty it's nt available in a higher resolution.
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:iconbaldassarre:
Baldassarre Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2010
an difficult question for a very nice artwork :-)
good job ;)
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010   Digital Artist
Thanks, indeed difficult to answer...
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:iconarecyn:
Arecyn Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awesome!
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:icondr-syn:
Dr-Syn Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2010
Stunning.
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Paulis1tp Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010
No i think when we get to this times a lot of people is going to loose their souls....really sad thou :( I like the art but I don't really want this to happen it is not human nature!!!!
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:iconthethirdt:
TheThirdT Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2009  Student General Artist
Bring on the Singularity
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:iconkjherstin:
Kjherstin Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2009
This is absolutely fantastic
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2009   Digital Artist
:)
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:iconxchizuna:
xChizuna Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2009
die spiegelungen sind der wahnsinn o_o
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:iconfredy3d:
Fredy3D Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2009   Digital Artist
Dankeschön :) Haben auch einiges an Renderzeit gekostet und vor allem die Positionierung der Elemente war ganz "spassig", da man teilweise ungewünschte bzw. unschöne Spiegelungen hatte...
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xChizuna Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2009
ou ja kann ich mir vorstellen. hat sich aber gelohnt sieht echt großartig aus :0 :D
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